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We know.
If Trump backs down on the tariffs, Canada should only back down halfway. Make it clear there are permanent consequences every time he fucks with the world economy on a whim.
It’s not an optional strategy even though it feels like it should be. With this kind of animal you either go tit for tat or scorched earth.
It’s not Trump you’re negotiating with with that kind of strategy. It’s the GOP.
I meant to write optimal, sorry.
The problem with trying to sway the GOP is that right now each one of them is about as charming as a poultry farm, and you need some charisma to build an oppositional faction within the party. If you were talking about a Schwarzenegger-led “normalcy” caucus we’d be cooking, but the current rogue’s gallery is as dull as dishwater and half as palatable.
We get it. By all means, Trudeau, bring the pain. Show America there are consequences. If you don’t, this will happen again. And again. And again.
it’s democracy, it’s written in the name. i remember a college professor constantly on about the need for a constitutional convention, wrote a book or some shit.
I was like, you know the crazies will consume any such convention, right?
challenging him kinda fucked it up but i was not wrong.
The Americans chose, or allowed their opponents to choose him. The voters own all of the next 4 years.
But yes, when was the last time inaction in protest worked?
Discounting your allies here in the states will only help Trump. Good job, Trump and Vance approved of this message
I’m serious. They love you for this. They love that you said this. Dismissing the dissenters here in the States is a great fascist tactic.
Thanks. Kudos to you!!
As someone in the US living in a very progressive district, the general vibe of Democratic voters is what we should have gotten 8 years ago and even now I still get people saying we need to be more moderate and reach across the aisle.
There is nothing for us across the aisle. Without a fundamental rework of the minority party we just end up back here 10-15 years later because fundamental issues aren’t solved and miserable people are easier to sell racist exploitative policies too. If you are comfortable and secure you’re more likely to support helping others without worrying about it putting you on the streets.
I held my nose and voted blue no matter who, but there needs to be some consequences to supporting genocide. If Democratic leaders are going to hide behind bureaucracy then we need to go around it or we’re on the hook for whatever human rights abuses are done in our name.
Oh, absolutely. I’m not defending America. Nobody should trust us at this point. Our country is currently completely broken.
But there are at least two major ways to see countries like ours that have evil leadership… You can blame the government and those that empower it, or you can blanket-blame all of the people that live there.
If you blame the people, and it catches on, then you end up dehumanizing an entire segment of humanity. It’s not unlike being racist, ableist, or sexist. You’re stripping individuality from an entire group, and applying preconceived principals to them as a whole.
America is a divided nation. Trump isn’t just harming our allies, and helping our enemies… He’s also first and foremost viciously attacking Americans and doing his best to strip away every freedom we have that might challenge him.
This is a man that’s out to destroy America, and to disrupt the strength of those who oppose Putin. The best way for him to achieve his goal is to get all of us at one another’s throats. The more petty, the better - that’s Trump’s bread and butter. A divided world is easier to conquer, just like our nation.
We can either stand together against tyranny as humans, or fall divided on our swords of ignorance and nationalism.
Here’s how it works:
You live in a country that has declared war on a much smaller neighbour. (Sure, for now it’s just economic, but cf. Warren Buffet.)
The victims of the aggression from your region are under no obligation to investigate your personal innocence in the matter.
If you are an ally, the responsibility to demonstrate that is entirely yours. Also, the bar is naturally high, as your fascist government has repeatedly threatened our sovereignty and territory.
So suck it up and read up on Denmark or France in 1940.
If you see every American as your enemy, then you will eventually create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I’m not willing to be manipulated by an orange idiot, but hey, you do you.
What happens in 4 years? I’d be surprised if there was another election for a while.
They’ll have an election. You just won’t be allowed to vote against the glorious leader.
Or a marginally less cynical take, targeted voter surpression will mean that only republicans get elected president. So in four years they’ll get president Vance.
We get it. Bring on the pain. Seriously. Fuck Trump.
Is there a website that hosts the video and actually works?
It’s got too high of a tariff to be served to you.
😭
If we’re truly a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” then we did it to ourselves.
If we’re not that then we should “dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”
Komrad! Is that you?
Thank you for suggesting the dismantling of the US. This us a great suggestion!!1!
Good thing Trump has 100% support in the US, and he didn’t fall short of 50% of the vote!
It’s on ourselves. It sucks but here we are….
We’ve been railroaded if not cheated every step of the way. It’s not our fault, though it is our responsibility
Hail yourself!
They censored mainstream media. They boost and censor mainstream social media. They lie constantly, so fast we can’t keep up. The Democrats were neo liberals, they seemed like they were going to shift more progressive but now they’re becoming neoconservatives
Lobbyists write the laws they may tweak before voting on. The Democrats let the conservatives stack the court, while refusing to do the same
The electorial college, voter suppression, and “it’s whatever we give you or the orange guy who wants to destroy the country” has stolen our power
The system is rigged. Almost none of us want this, not just what’s happening now, but the destruction of the middle class, the impossibility of housing, the enshitification of everything, healthcare that cripples you to use (if insurance doesn’t just delay until you’re also physically crippled)
No, this isn’t us. We’re not in control, our democracy has been hacked by a small number of very powerful people. We have to fix it - but this isn’t our fault
Apologies, I thought you were referencing a commonly said phrase on a podcast I listen to. The line is “it’s not your fault, but it is your responsibility” in regards to mental illness. I wasn’t being facetious.
Ah, fair enough. Out of curiosity, what’s the context?
Last Podcast on the Left. They’re a comedy podcast and cover “horrors real and imagined”- true crime, some morbid history, and paranormal stuff. One of the hosts has struggles with bipolar disorder, and “not your fault, but it is your responsibility” comes up often when they speak about people who have done horrific things and blame their mental illnesses.
If you’re interested at all, they did a recent series on the tragedy of the Batavia which speaks to the horrors of untethered capitalism that I think might be up your alley.
Edit: forgot to mention, Hail Yourself used to be how they would sign off the podcast until one of the hosts left last year.
Yes, be more direct and be human. Explaining thing like “ETMI5” will get your point/message across and be understood. Like others have said, if we, the US, back down, Canada should only roll back half way after a certain period of time. We have to learn our lesson. The president is being an uneducated child and he represents us, we should be treated like a child. We all learned a lesson before and we lived and learn. Time to do so again. Turn up the heat!
Pretty much, yeah. Republicans are malignant tumors.
It’s not about republicans, democrats, left or right anymore. It’s all Americans. As a Canadian I don’t see the difference anymore, your entire country is now an enemy
As another Canadian, I’d like to say that this dude does not speak for us all. We understand the cancer you’re dealing with. Our tumors are smaller and less likely to metastasize but they are still there festering trying to eat their way to the surface.
We’re a different kind of Canadian, i mean i hate the Canadian government too but I’m of native blood so nothing you guys say is gonna make me see Americans as a whole favourably, you may say “don’t generalize” but we all do it, including you
Not really “our government”. Trump has chosen to do this.
Nope you guys wanted this by either not voting or by voting trump.
Imo its more nuanced than that.
If there was only the popular vote, which makes more sense than electorate fuckery, we would have avoided round 1 in 2016.
The system of political choice is really broken in the US, that was just one example. None of us chose the political system we use, we are presented with limited and similar options for representation every two years in a first past the post vote.
I agree that we failed to prevent this, but the system is kind of rigged
It is your government. This is your head of state and the head of the US government weilding power that once belonged to Congress but ceeded to the executive branch about a hundred years ago. This man represents you.
I understand it is uncomfortable. That you wish it wasn’t so I get it… But Do not diminish this fact because these are the stakes. He is your, I repeat Your, Government. Do not wash your hands of him acting as he does because in your silence and denial he still acts on your behalf and you need so much more than silence and denial.
Stop trying to be so edgy, asshole. I didn’t ask for this, and basically nobody else on Lemmy did either simply based on user demographics. Even younger-middle-aged people have only been eligible to vote in a handful of presidential elections, and we’re fighting decades of gerrymandering, bribery, greed, and billions of dollars in corporate money propaganda campaigns. Basically all there is for me to do is vote at the polls and put my money where my mouth is, which I’m already doing. I’m not going to go out and riot and be sent to jail so I can lose everything because Walmart thought Trump would yield another half a percent to their stock prices.
When something comes up that I can do, I’ll join in, but I’m not going to have randos berate me for BS I never asked for.
There will never be anything that convinces someone like you to take action.
Shit, I did more than a third of Americans that didn’t even vote. Suck it. Better yet, I didn’t vote to actively destroy my nation like the Republicans did.
Good luck convincing any of those two-thirds to join your side by pedaling life-destroying rhetoric.
Please do whatever you want. I’ll continue to work my own methods.
If rioting is your only tactic, you’ve lost in advance.
Sick of all the complaining. Why don’t you share some actionable advice instead venting about how I’m not doing enough to make yourself feel superior?
Well quite frankly nobody asked for this but we have it and we’re not the first fucking generation to have to put aome skin on the line to make the place we live habitable after everything goes to shit. If you think all you can do is wait to cash your ballot or wave a sign then I am speaking to you. It’s time to organize better and move because it is only going to get worse from here.
You are free to ignore this. You are free to go quietly. However keep your destructive apathy to yourself. More of us have to look apathy and personal disenfranchisement from the system in the eye and see it as the weight that stops any of this from ever getting better.
Yeah, because voting and refusing to support republican business is “apathy”. Good luck convincing anyone other than your own echo chamber to do more than that.
Voting and selective consumption…. That’s the barest definition of citizenhood. Resisting an aristocracy is always going to require more than that. Not everyone can be a dedicated activist but c’mon, some perspective from history here.
I’m seeing a lot of criticism and no actionable advice whatsoever, from anybody who has responded to me. Maybe your contribution should be to educate people instead of telling them their actions aren’t good enough? Either do that or shut up, because you’re not contributing to the conversation.
The government didn’t wake up one day and decide to do this, Trump did. Absent Trump this wouldn’t be happening because nobody else is this stupid.
