Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.
If we don’t embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.
Will forever hate them for trying to take Pepe the Frog.
This is why gatekeeping is actually important. But you’ve got to be sure you’re keeping out the people who want to change the group, rather than people who want to join it.
This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.
norse mythology: the bisexual dude who has a meathead son and an adopted genderfluid kid. doesn’t go anywhere without his horse-grandson. knows everything will go wrong when they get a dog.
Plus they associate war with masculinity and magic with femininity, and their main guy is the god of both. Women fought and men learned magic. Clearly gender was a pretty flexibly concept. (Not to even mention that we found what appears to be trans masc viking burials.)
Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don’t they usually prefer to claim to be on God’s side?
Fascists try to take everything they can get their hands on to try and get a way “in”. There’s O9A, Joy of Satan, STS (not TST) and others.
Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?
I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they “claim, twist, poison, ruin” it, so it’s fine to give it up and no longer defend it.
Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.
Yet according to the rhetoric, it’s a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim is as part of their cause. They’ll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers “have” it), it’s okay to limit & undermine it.
One might think they’re right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there’s a good chance they’ll show up here possibly in response to this comment. Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?
Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.
Free Speech is the right to have and express opinions without being repressed by the government. Yelling fire in a theatre is not an opinion any more than harassing people with racial slurs or other forms of flatulence.
Nobody is giving free speech to fascists. Ignorant assholes are misappropriating the term to justify their disgusting behaviour and they’re the only one’s falling for it.
The (direct) harm principle of free speech has been a standard recognized since at least J S Mill. It’s reflected in legal limitations on incitement of imminent lawless action (falsely shouting fire); incitement of violence; defamation; discriminatory acts that objectively deprive peaceful access to rights, opportunities, or resources we are entitled to. It does not restrict merely offensive conduct that bothers.
Are you referring to harassment in the looser sense of merely irritating conduct or in the stricter sense of personally targeted conduct that is unwelcome & objectively harms or deprives peaceful access as mentioned before (often through persistence)? We don’t have a right not to be offended.
Freedom of speech is specifically for speech we do not like including much that you listed. It’s also for speech to oppose that, which could be taken much further instead of trying to compromise it.
Let’s let them have nu-metal… that’ll show them.
Nu-metal is great. Not all of it but Korn and System of a Down, a lot of great bands were labeled “nu-metal”.
Sounds like you are taking one step closer to the edge
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I’m about to breakeven Linkin Park is great
There’s a specific breed of online Nazis who insist that it’s ‘punk’ to be Conservative.
fascists are even trying to steal the identity and word of conservatisim.
conservatives of 12-15 years ago are liberal by todays standards.
I had to stop wearing my Mjølner pendant because of those fucks. So I fully agree.
You didn’t have to. That’s called relenting. Could have worn a “fuck fascists” message alongside it? Maybe it was easier to give up that battle?
I have a Celtic knot tattoo on my forearm (actually it’s the album cover of King Crimson’s album Discipline).
My British friend told me I shouldn’t display that in public in the UK because people might think I’m a neonazi.
I’m like fuck no, Celtic symbols don’t belong to Nazis and I won’t let them have it! Also, it’s a prog album cover wtfRespect for having Discipline cover tattooed on your forearm
Yeah, prog rock’s not very popular so most people won’t recognize it as what it is, unfortunately… However, I wear band tshirts like 80% of the time and by far the best reactions were to my Rush Tshirt. Followed by Riverside and KGLW.
Anyway, fuck nazis !
Not wrong at all, the Nazi Party co-opted and stole countless icons and imagery, the swastika itself was stolen.
and the modern day Nazi Party in Russia at least, tries to steal entire letters of the Latin alphabet.
Nazis are cultural parasites.
They already took flags in multiple countries.
It’s always iffy when you carry the flag of your country because the people who do that tend to be assholes. Let’s not let them get anything else.
And take the flags back too.
Yep. 100% true in Sweden. They’ve been doing it since the 90s.
Or Hawaiian shirts. Man, I love my Hawaiian shirts and I was not happy when they were briefly associated with some nonsense fucking Civil War 2.0 bullshit. I’m very glad that particular stylistic movement fell apart.
Boogaloo Boys were strange, they seemed to be a bunch of loosely affiliated extremists from every corner of the political spectrum (although concentrated in certain corners).
It seems like they were accelerationists.
We just watched one do a nazi salute twice, on national TV, in the seat of government and not a single member of the “opposition” had the balls to walk up there and punch him in the face.
The Nazis have won. People care more about civility than fascism.
People care more about civility than fascism.
It’s pathetic how true that feels.
The fascists will lose. They always lose. They might seem to have the upper hand right now, but they can only fool the people for so long until they fight back.
Nazis are a bit like cockroaches. If you stomp a couple, the rest will run away and hide.
I agere. Sadly they hurt a lot people untill they get stopped or destroy themselves.
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What the hell are you talking about Jesse?
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