Because of all the mass surveillance…

  • Hmmm. That’s canon, and everything I can find confirms it, but I can’t find a source that ignores anything but the original movie; all of the Original Timeline incorporates information from the sequels.

    I need to go watch the original again. I still remember that, within the movie, Reese - the only source of information about the future war - says they were winning until Skynet became self-aware, implying that humans stopped winning. Can you find a quote where Reese says they’d defeated Skynet, or were about to? The quotes I found imply otherwise.

    To be clear: I’m not debating canon. You’re right - when including all the movies, in the Original Timeline the humans destroy SkyNet. What I said, and still believe, is that in isolation in the first movie Reese does not say humans were winning the Future War, nor had they beaten SkyNet.