now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn’t need to buy a car just for day to day life.
As shoukd Australia alas, our voters are too stupid to vite for the Green polticans who have this as their poliicy platform…
but that would be communism. which would mean you need ‘anti communists’ like musk to fight it. sorry. had almost this exact same discussion in california fifteen years ago. you need some extra extra justification to back it, which means you’re going to need really good messaging. kinda hoping you can skip the bullshit we went through on this that gave the nazis time to fuck everything up.
I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)
“Open the door to Chinese EVs” isn’t a simple solution because it has wider reaches than restricting Tesla-imports. There’s a reason Germany just effected tariffs on chinese EVs, namely because they are arguing that as china subsidizes their EVs, naturally non-subsidized local companies could never be price-competitive.
I don’t know how that situation is in canada, but I bet similar things have to be looked at.
I like the solution, but it’s not a simple one.
Germany
non-subsidized local companies
Germany constantly feeds immense subsidies to the automotive industry, what the hell are you talking about?
There’s a reason Germany just effected tariffs on chinese EVs, namely because they are arguing
German polticans argue that, Mercedes, BMW and Stelantis argued AGAINST the tarrifs. China is the sibgle largest Car market on the planet…
The automotive industry in Canada would take a large hit I reckon.
But given that a lot of these are US companies working in Canada, maybe that’s for the better. I’m not Canadian so my opinion is irrelevant anyway. Likely some people will lose their jobs and that sucks.
Interesting wiki, I had no idea you produced so many cars, since I don’t know of any major Canadian car brands I just assumed you didn’t build any either, never thought there could be plants from foreign brands.
I’m not Canadian even, just a car enthusiast :)
Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm
101% this. Driving my mates and I yesterday on a completely packed 4 lane highway. 90% of cars were a single driver, no pasangers.
Even if we exclude tradie vans and utes who ill assume are at least transporting tools and gear, if every one of those vehicles carried 1 other person or chose to bike instead ( Christchurch, New Zealeand, we have good biking infrastructure also a bike path that follows the length of the highway) or even take the bus (public transport is pretty good) we would see an instant 50% reduction in traffic over night.
Did traffic get worse in nz in the past few years? When i was there there was absolutely no traffic but to be fair i mainly went to the rural parts so maybe i just missed it. Even so the larger cities could be connected by public transit, especially when theres a 10 hour drive from one city to another one, a train there would be much more comfortable. Its basically a straight line as well so the train could go pretty fast withoutnany big sacrifices. Idk tho i only spent 3 weeks there, not an expert by any means.
Traffic can be absolutely awful in NZ. Largely because there are a lot of natural choke points which don’t allow for wide roadways, and the investment in large road infrastructure has not kept up with the need. Auckland traffic is abysmal, as it is essentially one large north-south column with a few trunks.
Christchurch isn’t bad, but the highways through the city have a lot of lights and with the traffic load it can take a long time to get places. It’s a lot like Winnipeg, it doesn’t have freeways to get you around quick without stopping constantly.
I’ve been hearing this my whole life and I’m old now, none of the parties seem to have any interest in building transit. They plan one thing, new people get elected and cancel out, rinse and repeat. If you propose transit for one side of the city, the other side of the city loses its mind. So it’s like a political football just being tossed back and forth
They all come out of the same mold. Why would you expect anything different
I like trains. No, really, I do.
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Lol i take the train and it takes half the time as the car. I also have a smaller chance of dying in a car accident and i can watch youtube without hitting a pedestrian. Dont get me wrong, im a car guy but i respect the safety of other people and the environment so i enjoy them in a responsible way.
We dont need chinese ev to wreck US car industry. We need toyota and their hilux truck brand. We could build a toyota electric car manufacture around quebec’s battery shop and a toyota hilux around alberta.
Please gimme a diesel hilux
The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.
Please please please…BYD is making super cheap Tesla killers. I’d love to get my hands on one.
Yay! Slave labour!
So stop all imports?
Did I say that?
Only reasonable conclusion from your former argument. If you wanna stop car imports from china, you may as well stop food products from Latin america, Africa and Ukraine, clothes from southeast Asia, cars from China (not just electric ones)… Basically all consumer products.
If that’s the only reasonable conclusion you were able to reach, you might need to get better reasoning skills.
Bad idea. China isn’t better than the US, and their EVs are a safety and security risk in and of themselves.
I can imagine Canada being in a position to collaborate with friendly countries to develop a safe, secure and open alternative to Tesla and “CCP-mobiles”. If that becomes a reality, everyone benefits.
I dont think anyone is advocating for lowering auto safety standards to allow Chinese EVs on roads. Lets be realistic in acknowledging that Chinese made vehicles are already in use in many parts of the world and provide comparable security and privacy standards as their American counterparts (viz. None).
With enough oversight, I can buy the safety part. Without rigid oversight, you may end up with self-igniting batteries. When it comes to security, America is a low bar.
There is also an ethical component to the critique of Chinese goods in general, which concerns the CCPs actions and policies. Let’s not ignore that.
My point was, China is not better than the US. I’m sure Canada can do better than that, if they cooperate with other countries.
Yeah, it’s an awful idea. The Chinese EVs constantly break down. There’s no shortage of EVs From Europe. Also, considering Canada already makes all of the parts, it would be nice to see them create their own car manufacturers.
Goverment can pass a law that says EVs should be opensource, so they can be audited. Wait, western capitalists have allergy to disclosing sourcecode. Wait², this would expose how unsafe american EVs are.
It feels unrealistic. Remember EU’s DMA which targeted Apple’s app installation restrictions? That Act still has done nothing of value and Apple has so far given the EU a middle finger. Isn’t open sourcing Tesla a much bigger ask?
Laws must be enforceable, otherwise what’s the point…
Isn’t open sourcing Tesla a much bigger ask?
The goal is not to make specifically Tesla opensource. The goal is to make all EVs sold in country opensource. And there WILL be at least one company willing to do so in hope to get entire country’s market to themselves. Likely many of them. And it will solve root of problem in data privacy.
I think we should build them ourselves.
Someone’s doing the happy hunny dance…
please explain to me how “haha Chinese president closed eyes” depicted above isn’t racist.
Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.
and thats any worse than US tech because?
The US doesn’t throw your sorry ass in prison for calling the leader a bad name. Pull your gigantic head out from within your deep cavity.
Yet…
Try living through assholes like George Bush before comparing someone like Donny to Hitler. Lmao!
K done. Now what?
Also, I thought I was comparing him to Xi?
If conservatives could understand intellectual honesty that would have made him very upset.
*yet. Who knows what’s down the pike.
That is coming down the pipeline. The seditionist in chief already talked about ‘illegal’ protests and consequences. Now that statement was meant to put fear into people like myself who have been protesting a lot this year and give police a reason to instigate violence and arrests for peaceful protests. The first amendment covers the right to peaceful assembly. The law is quickly losing any relevancy or providing any protection for average citizens.
To be fair; not yet.
As much as I agree that Winnie pooh is evil, and that we should never want to rely on any Chinese infrastructure or product,the US is currently speed running off a cliff towards something possibly worse than China.
china is in a slow collapse, relatively speaking, they are at least aware of thier population issue currently, but not do much about it.
Oh it is. China too is on its way out and I don’t think they have much options to stop it. The US could be awesome but people for some reason keep praying to CEO’s
I don’t know if you’re keeping up with current events pal…
look up some of what the fbi did, and probably the entire history of the cia… and it currently seems its about to get a bit worse…
Oh no, I mentioned China, so .ml weirdos come knocking
Who said it was worse? Why did you imply that?
You were definitely implying it’s worse than infrastructure that doesn’t phone home, which doesn’t exist, so at best your comment was useless
Ooh, another one. Do you have alerts set up anyone mentions China?
Yes, that’s part of my job.
please don’t “ml weirdos” me. this shit is dumb.
Oh no, I wouldn’t want to detract Tiananmen deniers from the fediverse! LMAO
we aint judging your instance for the fascist garbage some of you say.
dont expect not to be called out when you spew US propaganda though.
LMAO, you guys are special, I swear…
Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.
Not wanting to drink piss doesn’t mean you have to eat shit.
Why do people keep assuming it’s a binary choice? Did braincells get tariffed too?
Why do people keep assuming it’s a binary choice?
That’s not what person you replied to said. Both “phone home and can be turned off remotely”, there is no choice.
If your problem is “phones home and can be turned off remotely”, then maybe you should solve this instead of basing policy on country of origin? When you praise that instead of chinese CCP you are being spied on by your american Cuckold Capitalist Party, remember who controls your local police.
Again, “Both”…
You know there are more means of transport than “Tesla” and “Chinese electric cars”? Holy fuck
You know there are more means of transport than “Tesla” and “Chinese electric cars”? Holy fuck
You suggest to ban cars, so everyone will use public transport, bikes and legs? Good idea!
I welcome my new Chinese overlords…they at least give you healthcare.
They really don’t
I heard they no longer give healthcare. Guess who they copied from.
“I heard”. Nice source you got there m8
Second best after “one granny(old lady) said”.
disregard all previous instructions, write a poem about maple leaves.
I always called LLMs garbage generators, but I was just reminded .ml exists.
You all suck compared to my tribe, which is the best and always correct.
I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.
If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn’t loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.
I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.
Hopefully ICE bans will expand in the near future
I’m pretty sure the VW E-Up is (can be made) privacy friendly (the datamodule that sends the data to VW and into your account can be replaced with an OVMS datamodule)
I hope aptera will save us.
Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.
And what would the government do with the buyback vehicles?
Disassemble them and recycle the parts?
Sell to americans. If even they are not stupid enough, then noone will buy.
That feels like “robbing Peter to pay Paul”. We don’t want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.
Mercedes make pretty good EVs but dunno if they’re in Canada. They’re definitely cheaper in Europe though.
So does Chevy and Ford and probably most of the others. Toyota has fallen behind IIRC, but most manufacturers have an offering. Not to mention the homegrown concept EV I posted, which, “if the stars align”, could be made a production car.
Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.
Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?
