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“Stop being intolerant that I’m a fucking asshole!”
This is my attitude whenever someone complains about there being too much ‘politics’ in everything.
Everything touches politics, but we only notice it when it adversely effects us. The people who take as granted that politics is it’s own thing are usually the people who are the most privileged by it.
I think I can explain the bad taste the comic leaves in my mouth regarding politics (and generally a lot of the discussion). It’s not that everything isn’t politics, it’s that everything is being framed as “two-sided politics”, black/white, red/blue. An argument can be made that with “the system”(america), yes voting action can be viewed that way. But it’s subjugating the entire conversation 100% of the time.
For instance, what policy is this comic critiquing and bringing awareness too? It feels like the lowest effort-bottom of the barrel attempt at a political cartoon for the clicks and ragebait. It’s not calling attention to any individuals or organizations involved, it’s a satirical stabbing for communities that are really hurting.
Anti Trans bills running totals
656 bills
49 states
13 passed
621 active
22 failed
I know the media will never report on most of this if any of it, but it’s no secret the party that currently has control of three branches of government, including the most blatantly corrupt supreme court in US history, is actively trying to make trans people illegal, illegal to exist, or to be recognized, illegal to be publicly trans, and legal to deny medical treatment towards.
I don’t blame you if you missed this movement happening right now, as it’s not widely reported, but it’s a huge problem and the cartoon is explicitly a MAGA republican stabing a trans person and calling it ‘‘just politics’’ and telling them to not take it personally.
Imagine the controlled opposition, aka the liberals, if they never mentioned or gave in to talking about trans people. because we know they don’t care. These people trans folk wouldn’t have been put in the crosshairs like they were. It’s like thanks, but no thanks. The more you help, the worse it gets. And we saw them turn tail real quick, especially when they know they need to recalibrate their messaging because the next election they are going to struggle to get people to vote. But at the end of the day, capitalism is unsustainable. The theatrics of our political Masters are just looking for the boogeyman, something to get upset about, to take away from the fact that the capitalist class are robbing us blind. The left wing needs to focus on only economics because from my experience it’s hard to tell rich people what to do.
Idk, I think it’s VERY SPECIFICALLY about trans rights, but I just can put my finger on why…
I’ll just blanket reply @Snowclone@lemmy.world and @nahostdeutschland@feddit.org here since it’s all basically the same response I’m getting with attempts at insults sprinkled in.
I guess I’m reiterating, “This is a shit comic that does nothing for anyone but the creator getting rageclicks.” It’s the difference between Dane Cook or George Carlin stand up, punching up or punching down, etc. “656 anti trans bills” (please actually link useful facts snowclown 1,2) This comic didn’t bring up a single one of them, or their authors or their districts where efforts could be made to make progressive movements.
but again, I’m critiquing the comic and it’s attempt at … being something? I suppose I feel it’s more harmful than helpful, helps incite more rage than awareness. It’s an absurd scenario in which a maga person looking at this “knows” they wouldn’t stab someone so they can shrug off the hyperbole (while still supporting politicians that undermine transrights). On the progressive side we just have bullshit political polarization.
There’s deeper conversations and fundamentals to get into which can be debated but irregardless my only gripe is “it’s a lazy comic taking easy swings at low hanging fruit that just further muddies the water instead of progressing anything”. I think if you’re going to be faux-edgy, you should probably stay out of making such direct political statement cartoons.
I think you actually don’t like the message of the comic, because if you didn’t like it or thought it was lazy, you would probably move on.
For me, this comic represents my lived experience. I have had people in my life literally say “It’s just politics” and call trans people sexually deviant pedophiles at the same time. And if you haven’t had that happen to you, good for you. But I like the comic because it is simple, short, and pretty good at conveying that feeling.
Sorry if that feels lazy to you, art is subjective, but I think the message of this is pretty fucking obvious because of its simplicity.
I try to reply instead of downvoting, healthier for discourse and sometimes opens up new perspectives from others. I also try not to abandon conversations (though I have hundreds in my inbox I haven’t gotten to).
I don’t appreciate the shift in trying to pin me with your own thoughts so probably best to end the chain, but I’ll still validate and not argue your experience because it is art (begrudgingly admitted) and you are human.
Eh, fair enough. I was a bit rude there, but the intent is that while I agree this isn’t a super complex piece of art, I don’t think it needs to be. I would even argue that by making the message as simple as possible, it does what it sets out to do quite well, which is to physically represent the emotions of the author. Maybe they don’t match yours, but that is the subjectivity of it. I know that I would be quite dismissive of other webcomics, but I would likely dismiss it for the subject matter, and not the quality. Webcomics tend to be a fairly simple medium, so I let a lot of things pass for it.
Isn’t it totally obvious what the comic is critiquing? There are too many people out there who vote for racist parties that want to eliminate people in their social circle and that are totally butthurt when they get called out for that and are bitter when those people don’t want to have anything to do with them afterwards. “It’s just politics”
I seriously had a Right-Wing friend of mine try to tell me that
“The Trans needed some pushback because they were simply demanding too much” Card
Which hurt, especially with a “You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.” Stat Boosting Spell Card he threw down when I pointed out that Trump was ordering people to put M’s on Transwomen’s documentation
I’d never been more insulted in my life. Bro had no clue he was legitimately saying the modern version of “Look the Government just needs to know your background, wearing that Star of David in public isn’t going to get you killed.”
Thankfully he was willing to listen when I pointed that goof out to him… He’s still a Right Winger who’s now willing to walk back his statements in favor of “Agree to disagree”
I love my friend and I’d stand up if his rights were being violated, I’m just horrified to realize he absolutely will not show me the same decency.
Kind of ironic that those who preach for a small government are the same who just have to collect as much documentation as possible. Ironic until you realise how helpful that might be if you want to persecute some minorities eventually.
They wouldn’t be so open to having their information documented. It’s not a big deal unless it’s happening to them.
“You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.”
Like… Why though? For what reason does the government need this and why would a normal person even care? I could see that it needs to be documented in medical history but even then they should refer to you properly.
God, does the “Asking for too much” card drive me fucking crazy.
These darn queers and their desire to walk the streets without the risk of being beaten to death, how dare them!i used to follow ytubers like that they will listen to reason, but was still “anti-wke this or that” something changed during the pandemic and then went full maga.
Ugh, I hate Right Wing Youtubers. You can see Google’s political bias on full display with them. I always find it suspicious that non-political youtubers can’t say “Kill” in ANY context without it being counted as a swearword on par with the N-Word…
But Right Wingers can say the most hateful shit and are still allowed to have a channel with PragerU platforming LITERAL CHILD ABUSE yet still being allowed to do a show targeted at kids.
There was this DBD Youtuber who was spitting straight facts about the horrible decisions made with the game, and then he moves from his first point (bullshit nerfs that feel so random that it’s likely play testing wasn’t done with them) to talking about how the game is “Unrealistic” and to that I said
“Okay… it’s a dark cartoony game where you play Hide and Seek with Freddy Krueger and the Xenomorph, it 's not meant to be reali… Ah THERE we go.”
Why did I say “THERE we go!” Because he immediately jumps to “Like 1/5 of the cast is canonically gay! But there’s only like .0001% of people who are gay in real life”
And I had to point out that “You were cooking… until you got really homophobic.” in the comments
He actually responds to me and gets into a shouting match.
He goes on and on about how the character David King was “Clearly intended to be a straight man”, because his backstory “Had him be VERY manly!”, and that it was an attack on him personally that he was “Changed to be gay”
I calmly told him that the devs can do whatever they want with their characters. I mean yeah if they said “Oh , btw, Laurie Strode’s a lesbian”, that’d be bad because the job of the guest characters is to show them as they were IN THEIR ORIGINAL FILMS! But… they didn’t make Laurie Strode gay, they made David King, a character Behavior created themselves, gay.
He gave me the same bullshit about “David King’s original story had him being manly!”
I pointed out that David King’s CURRENT story still had him be manly, and that manly men exist in the gay community (With David being something of what they call a “bear” in the gay community), oh and the big one… this wasn’t some recent out of nowhere Overwatch-style retcon, he’d been hard confirmed as gay VERY early on… So, wasn’t sure why he was complaining.
Because I knew that (very common and well-known piece of information), I outted myself to him as “ONE OF THEM!!111”, and he said something to me I’ll never forget.
That I was one of the “queers” ruining America, who was as he put it “Offended by Everything and Ashamed of Nothing!”
Now that was the most mask off he’d been all conversation.
I simply asked what was it he felt that I had to be ashamed of… Never got an answer, so I can only assume he didn’t know himself.
Later I found I was subscribed to him, likely had done so early on in his vid. He was live-streaming killer and complaining about a well-known Youtuber who exposes Toxic Players in the DBD community… The whole stream it was nothing but shitting on this Youtuber for, and get this, defending gay gamers from homophobic bullies instead of “Letting them get what they deserve for shoving it down people’s throats.”
When I realized this I left the stream, downvoted, and unsubscribed.
I wish him well and hope he changes, but since I know he’s unlikely to, deep down I hope he’s having a rusty nail shoved up his dickhole and that it gets infected.
I’ve sadly since learned that the homophobe not only was still at the homophobia game, but had gotten the slogan “Ally to the Community” trending through the Toxic Side of the community as a backhanded way of insulting… anyone Pro-LGBT affiliated with DBD.
My point is, I just hate people who do nothing but hate and how they that despite being the clear aggressor, seem to believe they’re never the ones in the wrong.
Nyway, I should lay down for bed, but before I go I must say
inb4
“If they have a problem with things being shoved down their throats they shouldn’t deepthroat so fucking hard.”
Is the “just because we disagree on politics we can still get along” frame of mind generally a conservative thing? Because on one hand, it makes sense. On the other hand, I find it very difficult, for example, to look past the fact that some conservatives want to stop aid to Ukraine (as a Ukrainian living in the US).
human and civil rights aren’t “politics”
What can someone self identify as though, can I self identify as a specific race, species, nationality, etc… where does one determine where to draw the line?
Clearly its going to be an issue that leads to some disagreement as it is open to ambiguity. If anything can self identify as anything would that be the middle path?
Obviously it has real implications in reality as well, like grants and shelters that go towards a specific demographics that are disproportionately disadvantaged. If people can self identify then it is obviously ripe for exploit, and how do we police that outside of the same witch hunts the anti-trans people are on, so how do we solve this one?
Had kind of a similar conversation with my dad recently. “I’m sorry you feel that way.” “Well they’re cutting Medicaid, so we’ll see how that goes for you.”
‘I’m sorry you feel that way.’ He’s sorry you think people should have equal rights?
Your dad doesn’t have a political problem, he has a morality problem.
It was actually about my job (I work for the federal government), but same issue. He, my mother, and my brother voted for something that directly impacts me.
There’s a guy up thread saying I shouldn’t take it personally, but how can I not? They’re the ones making jokes about how hard I don’t work.
Wow, a morality problem and an empathy problem, to their own kid no less. I’m sorry you’re dealing with that, and lessening contact (or cutting it) would be a perfectly understandable action.
I tried to support this artist on Patreon. Heard there were NSFW comics there. Well, yes, but mostly a creepy OnlyFans-esque collection of nearly nude sexy photos of the artist, with frequent calls for payment for explicit nudes.
(Edit from below, as I figure out what I’m trying to say) It’s a sort of emotional bait and switch. “Come support me, there’s nsfw comics.” “Ooh I love those, my wife loves those, I’m in.” “Whoops, actually there’s also these risqué photos. Maybe your wife will be ok with it, maybe not. You can choose to have the conversation if you want. But now I’ve handed you a problem, unless you want to just immediately unsubscribe. In which case I still keep the money but you get nothing. Thanks for your support!” (End of edit)
Only artist Patreon I’ve ever unsubscribed from for content reasons. (I’m married, intended to support an artist, not to gawk at an OnlyFans.) From what I can tell from kemono (Patreon content mirror - visit with Adblock on), she’s still doing it.
I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported. Comics like this one are really good. I’m torn.
I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with that content existing, and being something people can pay for, but you’re also not being too sensitive for not personally wanting to pay that artist, if your surrounding circumstances would make the access to explicit content then seem a little unsavory in your particular case.
Ideally, that artist would let you pay for just the non-NSFW content, or simply send a tip/donation directly, instead of requiring the NSFW content to be bundled with any attempt at payment, but that doesn’t mean that offering NSFW content itself “shouldn’t be supported,” even if it’s not desirable in your case.
Absolutely. If there was a set of tiers that had NSFW drawn comics and absolutely zero mention of any risqué photos, I’d subscribe again. “Character Cosplays” is in every tier and really shouldn’t be. (And should really be clearer that this includes like hand-bra photos and such. “Note: contains sexually suggestive photos of the artist” or something.)
It is perfectly fine that you don’t like the behaviour, but that doesn’t mean the behaviour isn’t valid.
I also think it is strange, but not something detrimental. You subscribe to her account, you get comics and nudes. I don’t see a problem with that, but I can understand if it’s problematic for you due to different surrounding circumstances.
It’s a valid point and complaint that they went to the Patreon page of a comic artist looking for comics, and got something entirely different to what they were looking for.
There’s a lot more porn on the Internet than good comic strips.
Tolerance paradoxically demands intolerance of the intolerant.
It was pointed out to me a while back that the paradox of tolerance is only a paradox if you consider tolerance to be a philosophical position.
In fact, we don’t treat it like that. We treat it as a social contract, in which context it is no paradox at all to say that if you aren’t tolerant then other people aren’t obliged to tolerate you in turn
More often than not, MAGA tend to stab themselves in the back. They just don’t have the self-awareness for it.
Yeah now with trump them trans kids have to show them genituls at sports events.
What do you mean I don’t have insurance anymore? I don’t understand!
I’m honestly surprised we haven’t accused the people demanding “Genital Searches” of being paedos
Wow, are conservatives murdering and assassinating transexuals for being transexuals now? Where are the news about these events?
I do not believe conservatives are mad at or hate transexuals
I do believe, however, Conservatives don’t really care what you do on your own. Most disagree with transexuals in general, but most also aren’t interested in bossing you around.
I believe your post presumes wrongly that conservatives are spending their days obsessively looking for ways to control or cause either direct or indirect harm to you. They’re not.
The only things they are not really okay with and won’t allow you to do is pushing your views on them.
I understand they will be okay if you don’t ask them to change the facts on your birth certificate (yes, conservatives see what is in there as facts, you can disagree, but that’s how they see it)
I believe conservatives will be mostly okay if you don’t try to pass laws that punish them for not getting on board with your chosen views.
Same as well with using the state apparatus, taxpayer money, or use public schools to push your views.
They would probably be okay with consenting adults being free to dress in whatever way they want and do whatever they want to their own bodies.
However they would be also expecting to not be compelled in any way whatsoever to play along.
Again, that would mean no laws would be made to compel people to use pronouns or any other language they believe to be untrue.
Most surely, they would like that, In the same vein as dressing up differently doesn’t give you access to opposite sex bathrooms, getting surgical procedures done on yourself wouldn’t also give you access to the bathrooms of the opposite sex.
Very probably, In an ideal conservative world, transition surgery would be categorized as an elective cosmetic surgery, and advertised as such.
But yeah I’d like to see some sources on the murderstabs
You can “believe” all you want in your happy little make-believe bubble, but the facts are that conservatives are trying to ban, restrict, redefine, and remove trans people from getting healthcare, from being referenced in media or schools (censored), and removing them from the military.
Here’s the list from the ACLU of all 456 anti-LGBTQ bills in the US.
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2025
Yeah, conservatives are so tolerant…
…oh. And there’s never been a law to force people to use correct pronouns. Ever. There’s never been an effort to “force” anyone or do anything. People were simply asking for you to respect them by using preferred pronouns. Asking for people to respect them as a human being is apparently an affront to US Conservatives.
