is up there with “perpetual motion machine”

okay so like, i wasn’t being facetious in a meta sense but was being facetious in of that i was joking and knew what i said was nigh impossible.

jeez now that i say it like that no wonder my attempt at humor didn’t land lmao. i’m sorry i’m pretty sure im autistic in some way. anyway i do computer science irl as a career and hobby, i think data as a concept is the biggest revolution since the wheel.

hard agree tho. secure weapons, food+water, and knowledge. the only way to ride the storm.

definitely scared for my generation’s “shot heard round the world” moment

well until we figure out how to decouple hypothetical data from needing physical, real storage it tracks that every site, no matter the purpose, would need data delimiting of some kind. don’t mean to sound facetious, i like, genuinely believe we are living during some singularity shit. don’t buy the media buzzwords or anything, but, knowledge seems to be solvable. the moment someone or something discovers >exponential returns on learning we’re cooked.

but anyway, your comment fr captured a lot of sentiment i have trouble expressing as an american zoomer in 2025. it’s so hard to explain to people from different places and different times how this all feels. people who are similar in age seem to be more aware of what’s going on; but, overall there is this shadow of ignorance over everyone and everything that manifests in different forms with each and every individual. there’s no one unified way to fight it.

i have a shitty thread i made in one of the c/unpopularopinion comms or something to kind of vent about everything and it kind of opened my eyes to how everyone is aware of what’s going on but completely unconcious as to what it all entails.

in the words of the great philosopher bob dylan, “and don’t speak too soon, for the wheel’s still in spin”

people don’t “choose” to not vote on the scales we see in america today.

the fact that ~64% of just eligible voters, not even the entire population, is considered “historic turnouts” tells you all you need to know about the “democracy” we live in.

the vast, vast majority of americans are disenfranchised, and always have been. people do not choose to be oppressed.

when will it be kosher to say this out loud?

the rhetoric spread in this comment i am replying to is in service of the fascists and their goals. “of course this is happening, they deserved it.”

don’t fall for their lies

don’t fall for their lies

don’t fall for their lies

we can stand united, together. not just here, across the globe. workers of the world unite & all.

haha holy shit this is preem.

saving this for later copypasta purposes.

you are a fucking gent/lady/gentleperson.

i see a lot of people suggesting succession on both sides of the political aisle here nowadays.

it actually really hurts to read, hurts my heart, hurts my soul. every single time i see the opinion espoused.

we are one people.

i dont disagree with the general sentiment that the union shows signs of age, is falling apart, and for the most part serves to prop up places that are generally 3rd world shit holes (i.e alabama, the south) using the wealth of some of the richest economies to ever grace the earth (nyse, the entirety of california and the valley, etc.). in many ways, the union is an expression of imperialism over the american continent.

but again, we are one people.

to break apart the union would be tragic. millions would never see their dads and moms, brothers and sisters, family; ever again. many still yet would likely be forced to kill those very same people in order to wrought to reality the will of the “leadership with the balls to stop playing this failed experiment.” it is a mockery of the value of human life to compare something of this gravitas with defederating a Lemmy instance, but i can see why you would want to make the comparison. it really isn’t so easy, tho.

again, again, again; we are one people.

i will stand against secessionist rhetoric as long as i live. maybe some places in world would be better off without the union, for a time. overall, however, we as a people are far too intimately connected, far too ingratiated in each other’s lives for secession to ever be a valid argument again. the number of lives ruined and extinguished is far too great a cost to make pursuing a breakup of the union worthwhile within our lifetimes.

we don’t have to keep our relic from ole '76 forever, that isn’t what this means.

it just means a rote breakup of the union is such a bad idea as to be idiotic. maybe the states would be better served by european union style confederacy. i don’t know. i just know our destinies are extrinsically linked and we cannot change that;

we are one people.

The vast majority of protests are happening near the places where the people live. All the protests I have been too were not at the place of our government. It was our city and the next one. No long travel time and it still works.

maybe i could have phrased myself better. this is essentially what i mean by the first point. you only have the option of local protests in america, for the most part. the unfortunate reality is that for the millions of americans who’s locality doesn’t include those political seats of power, it actually doesn’t work.

how many times in the news have you seen americans sitting in tiny local protests with their signs? how many times have you seen it actually lead to anything happening, other than a live demonstration of police brutality?

it doesn’t work. americans by and large recognize this, their apathetic attitudes aren’t some weird form of jackassery they are a rational response to their situation.

i don’t know what we should do. but continually disparaging americans for their lack of will or protests isn’t it. they’re not protesting en masse because they live in a social and political climate that explicitly prevents them from doing so, and disarms them when they actually manage to do it.

“those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable”

-jfk

“i, -er -uh, would like the party plattah!”

-also jfk, but in clone high (the cooler jfk imo)

haha. that’s fair. i’m a zoomer. seems really popular with younger english speakers to forgo the initial capitalization; it’s part of how they codeswitch to see who is or isn’t hip, or as the kids might say, “lit/cool/etc.” has it’s origins in like, early internet AOL, IRC, etc. and never seemed to die off going into modern forum/texting/internet culture. it promulgated into long-form writings with the pervasiveness of sites like facebook and reddit in the 2010s.

obviously, tho, you’ve been alive long enough to be making comments on lemmy so presumably you are aware of this to at least some degree and this whole comment is just more shittily capitalized sludge to sift through so i will digress.

i can see how if you are entirely used to reading english with proper capitalization rules it would be annoying and difficult to parse.

however, this style is definitely something that transcends myself or my personal trappings. i would recommend getting used to it because a large corpus of modern english media going forwards will feature it to varying degrees, like it or not.

my initial reply to you was flippant, reactionary, and misguided. for what it’s worth, i do genuinely apologize and shouldn’t have engaged in ad hominem. i won’t delete it because, despite regretting the comment, it would be contrary to my ideas of free information (lmao that sounded cringe in my head and it looks cringe on “paper” but idk how else to say it).

i appreciate your genuine response and discussion.

you are correct in your analysis of democracy as an institution and the observation that there does truly exist a large contingent of people in the West who really do support and encourage what is going on as of late.

i shouldn’t let my own feelings get in the way. i think my qualm is less about the claim “americans want this” and more about how it is phrased and the implications of that statement. it is reductionist in the same way a lot of actual fascist rhetoric is and it rubs me the wrong way.

i think there’s actually a very interesting social/political philosophy question that will be demanding an answer during our lifetimes. we have a cultural reverence for democracy and liberalism in the west. they are strongly associated ideas. however, recent advances in statistical analysis seemed to have spurred a pushback against this assumption in the cutting edge of sociopolitical thought (i say recent but these ideas have their origins in the 60s and 70s, even earlier depending on your bar. recent in a “meta,” societal sense). maybe democracy isn’t the most liberating form of politics, maybe it inherently lends to developing neofeudal fascism; and maybe if there exists a form of organization that offers the individual more freedom and liberty, we have an obligation to attempt to overthrow democracy and establish it.

i think these were some of the most interesting ideas i was permitted to explore during college sociopolitical courses. of course, in retrospect, we very intentionally explored these ideas. because, as i said, these are questions that will likely be demanding an answer before we die, for better or worse. what do you think? how should we organize, as humans?

sure, because wanting people to recognize the exact nature of what is going on right now means i’m a stereotypical fat american imperialist pig-dog.

grow up.

it’s happening here. it’ll happen to whatever corner of this godforsaken world you had the (mis)fortune of being born to. stop it before it is too late. i know how easy it is to react flippantly. i watched people for the past 20 years of my life in america do the same thing and it led us directly down the path to neofascism. living in a world where the preeminent powers have fallen to authoritarian ideologues, you would be a fucking fool to be throwing stones.

your response genuinely meant a lot to me.

sanity needle in the insane haystack and all.

good luck from across the pond. you guys are in one of the least forgiving geopolitical positions on the world-stage. whatever the future holds for germany, it is significant.

i dreamed as a highschooler of “amerexiting” to germany in order to complete a program at one of the hochschulen. i’d be lying if i said i didn’t still fantasize about it. i have an associate’s degree and am working on a bachelor’s here. maybe getting out is still possible, idk. i want to fix my home. not to be lame but i genuinely cried a little writing that. i don’t want to leave. i want things to be better here, the people i care about to be cared for.

that seems less and less possible as the days drag on.

Either because some people didn’t bother to vote, or because on average, Americans really do support this bullshit.

no, americans do not “on average” support this. it wasn’t just “some” people who “didn’t bother to vote,” it was the vast majority of our nation that did not vote. and it isn’t strictly because of voter apathy. how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe 2/3 of americans are simply so apathetic and careless about their lives as to produce this level of electoral non-participation? occam’s fucking razor my guy. it is significantly more likely and makes much more sense to recognize the reality that our democracy is a farce and most people practically were not allowed/given the opportunity to vote.

https://www.environmentalvoter.org/updates/2024-was-landslidefor-did-not-vote

americans do not “really support this bulshit.” this is the exact sort of awful fascist-apologist misinformation that spurred me to make my post in the first place.

fuck you, you fucking fascist rat. stop outright lying to people to argue your point…

for those of you who aren’t hellbent on spreading shit and misinformation, we’re all in this together. good luck in the coming years guys.

nah WASP work ethic and the clock are the single greatest tools of oppression ever invented.

the propaganda of the clock is the most deeply entrenched enemy of the revolution.

if my fellow commies even recognized this i would be harping about it 24/7; but unfortunately even the crazies think you’re crazy on this one for some reason.

the clock isn’t real. it is unnatural to track minutes and doesn’t serve to increase productivity on an individual level at all. it was very, very recent in the west that the clock’s true form as the oppressor was well known and well fought against. i wonder how the bourgeballs managed to normalize schizophrenic timekeeping behaviors within 1-2 generations? not a topic that is easy to research.

i just see so many europeans online under the impression that the situation in america is uniquely american and not like, the rational end conclusion of a capitalist society (like the ones they also live in omg :ooo)

this is dangerous to think.

this exact rhetorical mistake is why my country has fallen to the fascist. don’t let it happen again

for me the whole spelunking-rescue fiasco was what broke the camels back.

in my cringe alt-girl era but rät by penelope scott is about this exact topic

oh yeah, it’s surely a privilege to be allowed to participate in society.

the argument “driving isn’t a right, it’s a privilege” falls entirely flat on its face when there exist no alternatives for a large majority of people and their lives. hardcore boomer energy that blatantly ignores the reality on the ground.

i agree, there are people who shouldn’t drive. i wish i didn’t have to drive.

that simply isn’t feasible in the current reality, tho.

driving can once again be a privilege only after it returns to no longer being a necessity. it is the natural right of all peoples to participate in their society. i agree with the sentiment, driving is a privilege that should be earned. but we should do ground work to make that true, we can’t just ignore the real world and indignantly say whatever we feel like; real life isn’t harry potter and the symbols and words we create bare no direct power over reality. driving is not a privilege in todays america, you don’t get to be the arbiter of decision here. in a practical sense, driving is necessary. the right to transportation and movement evolves with the age, man; it doesn’t get narrower as time goes on in the way a lot of western law seems to want to imply nowadays.

“… get people off the road who shouldn’t be there in the first place…”

i get the sentiment but i think this is problematic.

who deserves the right to drive then?

i hear you, “people who are capable”. but real life isn’t so cut and dry. the way it works in america now is awful fs, you can back this up with death statistics fairly easily; however, i think this tribalistic “us vs them” attitude drivers get is emblematic of deeper problems in our culture.

everyone is all for the animal farm until they’re the other. cliche, i know, but it’s true.