Summary
Trump and Zelenskyy’s confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced “mob boss foreign policy” serving Russian interests.
Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their “extortionate” minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump’s stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.
Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia’s 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.
This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.
America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in
We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is …problematical, at best
Illusion of choice
Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.
And the sad part is that even if we can get our act together and pull put of this, our former allies would be justified in not getting too close, because we’ve demonstrated that we could just allow the morons back in at the next election to burn it all down again.
It’s frankly a much healthier strategy for our (former) allies. We’re really not all that dependable anymore. We’ve been coasting on inertia for decades.
No, I wouldn’t say that. Prior Republican administrations certainly pushed the Unitary Executive theory, but only at some boundaries and worked within the bounds set by Congress and the Courts for most things. Even the first Trump administration was constrained, not only by Congress but also by the administrators that Republicans encouraged him to bring in board, who continued to respect those boundaries.
The unique thing about this Presidency is that Trump is upending all of it. Republicans have long fantasized about demolishing the parts of the Federal government they don’t like. Now they own all the levers of government and could do it all through legislation. But they won’t, because they understand aspects of it will be unpopular and don’t want those votes on the record. So instead, Congress is letting Trump and Musk grab them by the pussy. Republicans get to make the government so small they can drown it in the bathtub, like they always wanted, much faster than the legal process would allow for. All they have to do is look the other way while Trump and Musk trample all over the laws.
So yes, this is different. Our former allies would be correct to not trust us again unless we can place real constraints around the Presidency again, somehow. Depending on Congress to be a check on a President no longer works.
Cope.
Ya’ll’ve been skirting the line for a long time. Most people only get along with the US because they feel like have to, or because they aren’t paying attention to what happens when you get on their bad side for doing things like trying to develop democracy(Latin America, anyone?). Your country was already in the hole but we still had you tied to a rope and were desperately propping you up because you have the keys to van. Now you’ve called everyone losers and cut the rope and, frankly, we’re starting to realize that our efforts would be better spent walking home that trying to fish you out of there while being fought the whole time just for you to drive us all off a cliff an hoir later.
Fuck the US. Fucking shithole.
While some of the critiques you’re leveling are completely valid and correct, I don’t think making a sweeping hostile generalization about all Americans is helpful here.
Also you’re coming off like an asshole. I want to help. The person you’re replying to probably wants to help too. Don’t punch down on that
This person I’m replying to believes that if the world just waits it out that American can be a shining beacon of hope with just a few changes. That is not the case, and the people of the US need to understand that the rest of the world does not believe them to be the main characters the same way they do.
Even many well-meaning in the US are taught a history that paints them as heroes and downplays the efforts of others. Many believe they won WW2, after joing exceptionally late and only because they themselves were attacked. It is a selfish nation, and I do not care(in this instance) about the good people who live there if the country and all it’s might are used to destroy the lives of others.
I have good friends who are from the US and there are many strangers to me from there who equally don’t deserve the consequences of what’s happening. I am still avoiding buying from there, and as Trump said himself that step one of trying to take over Canada would be to attempt to cripple us economically right before enacting tariffs meant specifically to cripple us economically I consider the US an enemy state actively trying to wage war against us.
Do not tell me to be so kind and gentle to someone who thinks that in four years, if they even manage to elect one of their lukewarm centre-right Democrats back into office, that I should breathe a great sigh of relief and pretend everything is back to normal. The US, as a country, is a terrible place filled with all manner of cruel monsters.
And yes, many good individuals, too.
The US always had terribly low resilience in the way their government is structured. The “checks and balances” were pretty great in the late 18th century, but their protections are paper thin and assume good faith.
Several countries have iterated upon their constitutions in the last 300 years, often to close exactly the kind of vulnerabilities we can see exploited in the US right now. For example, because of what the Weimar republic’s article 48 was used for in 1933, the German president no longer has those powers.
I understand that the US constitutions had had amendments, but as far as I can tell, the fundamental flaws across several core institutions have never been addressed. Until they are, the US can not be a trustworthy partner for any endeavor longer than the next election cycle.
Really curious what this means for Taiwan. Their sovereignty depends on US support, but with Trump at the helm, we’re just as likely to cut a deal with Xi and stay home when the fighting starts.
It means nothing for Taiwan, the US has supported the One China policy regarding Taiwan for decades and still do.
Username does not compute.
Did you think you were being clever?
The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It’s almost unbelievable that this actually occurred…
More embarrassing than Holocaust denial and the slaughter of indigenous people?
But not quite as embarrassing as your comment history.
Dunning Kruger indeed
Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can’t bring myself to look at the cancer.
Zelenski is an ungrateful bitch who got bitch slapped by Trump and will now give the US everything trump wants because trump best!
Something like that, probably
Just to clarify: I think zelenski is an example to the world and I think it’s very fair to call him the Churchill of our generation.
Churchill was an asshole garbage too
The leaders you want in a war aren’t the ones you want in peaceful times and vice versa. But when there is war, it’s important to have one of the leaders who’re good at managing the country in such a situation, and that applies to both Churchill and Zelenskiy.
Yes, they both have many flaws. But that doesn’t mean someone else would be better.
The difference is zelensky has always been a puppet of the US
Zelensky we finally have Russia at the negotiations table ( no thanks to biden ) Russia sent people to talk about peace, the only one holding up the process is Zelensky. After all the money we sent to Ukraine we cant even get a deal on minerals? Let Russia consume them. EU is too busy buying oil/gas from Russia more than they have donated! EU could care less about Ukraine!
Wow, that’s a lot of bullshit in such a short amount of text. Ignoring most of it, I’ll focus on the “money” sent. We didn’t send much in the way of funds. What we sent was old, obsolete, and outdated weapons and munitions which we will then replace with newer, modern and updated stock.
People also seem to forget that we’re basically using Ukrainians as cannon fodder so the US and Europe don’t have to put our troops on the line to hold back Russia (not that Trump cares about keeping Russia in check).
Russia sent people to talk about peace
You mean the country that started the war by invading another country wants to discuss a peace they could have by simply getting out of that country? Russia, who has violated more than one ceasefire? What a bunch of crap.
There’s a history behind it. For most of Ukraine’s history, it was under Soviet control. In 1991, over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence, and Gorbachev agreed, but with the condition that NATO wouldn’t expand past Germany—NATO agreed. Russia accepted democracy at its doorstep in exchange for that promise. What happened to Thatcher and Baker’s promise?
Later, Yeltsin sought NATO membership to foster closer relations, but NATO didn’t respond. NATO’s military expansion seemed aimed at Russia, and without Russia, there’d be no need for that military buildup.
In 2000, Putin sought NATO membership again, but NATO ignored him. After 9/11, Putin supported the U.S., sharing intelligence, allowing airspace and military bases. But after the U.S. destabilized Iraq, Putin grew wary of NATO’s expansion into Russia’s sphere. This war with Ukraine could have been avoided—Russia, Ukraine, and the U.S. could have negotiated. Stop believing the media.
NATO not expanding eastward was never put to paper. No one ever officially signed off on it, nor was it ever an official decree. It was never anything more than words of appeasement. Russia “agreed to democracy on its doorstep” because they were going through a regime collapse and were a tad preoccupied with preventing the collapse from going further. Even if they had kicked up a storm about it, what were they gonna do? The breakaway nations weren’t going to just unpack their bags and stay with the abusive ex cause the ex said they can’t leave. Russia would’ve had to suppress them militarily once again, and they didn’t have the resources to do that.
NATO expanding eastward was because the former Soviet bloc countries wanted it. Because if you’ve regained your independence (for some of them it wasn’t even the first time) from an aggressive neighboring nation, would you not wish to protect it with the means available to you? If Poland and the Baltics believed that, for the first time in centuries, Russia would stop doing Russia things, would they have sought to join? Because the only reason they’ve been spared Ukraine’s fate is that Russia was in no position to execute militarily when those countries were accepted into NATO. And look at us now, thirty some years later, Russia is doing Russia things.
Yes Putin sought NATO membership, but NATO was formed as a check on Soviet aggression, so that’s a nonstarter. Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, and they thought they’d cakewalk into Ukraine as well. There’s no slant where Russia is the good guy in this. You sound like a propaganda machine.
The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. “Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy”. Gross.
Who cares what others think of the US, it’s all a facade. Regardless who’s in office the world sees us as a joke. Homelessness, incarceration rates, low education, poverty, no healthcare, stagnant wages, there’s a thousand things to look down on about the US other than a fanatical asshole.
Ah, the duality of the United States. An greedy evil imperialistic Nation that undermines everyone else, but also USAID is going away and people are wondering wtf they are going to do to get by.
USAID has never been anything but a tool of US imperialism and regime change masquerading as charity
